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Money and Mental Health with special guest Nev Harris

This episode is for anyone who needs to be reminded they CAN understand their finances.  Nev talks about his upcoming course and how they break it down for ANYONE in business can know their numbers.  Second, Nev opens up about tackling his own mental health and what he is doing now!

 

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThinkTankforAgencyOwnersandFreelancers

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Jennifer
Welcome to a brand new episode of Raney Day Talks Podcast. I’m your host, Jennifer Sakowski, and today the long awaited. Guest, Mr. Nev Harris. Welcome.

Nev Harris
Thank you Jen. Thank you. I love being here. I can almost wave to you.

Jennifer
For the ones catching this on YouTube, they will be able to see that. I am so excited because I’ve been waiting to get you on my podcast. You have such a plethora of information to share with our, our audience. I don’t know where to start other than tell me about yourself. For those that don’t know you and here locally, who are you and what do you do?

Nev Harris
Well, I’m never Ferris and we live about maybe five, 10 minutes from each other. Funny, crazy. So I’m right in Murrysville too. And a group up in this area and I how this all came up well was, we were in a community together and it was a whole bunch of other agency owners and they had struggled with their numbers in, in a way. And I have, I’ve had a finance background so I’ll just start helping them and just to be helpful cause everybody in that community was super helpful. And then they thought that, you know, there was a need to go out there and have the difficult conversations surrounding money. So that’s what we started doing. Well, I want to just go out there and encourage people to have these difficult conversations about money because people normally hide from these conversations around profit and earnings and taxes cause they feel their right brain creative people, you know, maybe they’re mompreneurs, maybe they’re freelancers and they just feel it’s not meant for them. They’re not set out to understand their money. And I disagree with that. I think everybody understand their money. So that’s kind of how we ended up in this spot. I was an agency owner, turned a passionate advocate for understanding your money. I still had the agency for fun.

Jennifer
That, that’s a perfect illustration of it actually. And I love it because a lot of our you’ve mentioned are the group that we met in. It’s true cause I can’t remember how many, like I don’t, can’t remember anybody who said I hate doing or I did not. What am I trying to say? That they liked dealing with their numbers. Most of them was, Oh, I’ll raise my hand because I hate, I don’t know what my numbers are. My numbers are scary. I don’t want to know. And so I think that’s awesome that you’ve turned this into a business. So I’m gonna continue on down that and your personal brand because as you know, I’m working on my own personal brand and I thought, Oh my gosh, Nev is doing it. He’s doing the thing that I want to do. So how do you truly, your tagline is you can understand your money. Boring, not included. I mean can you give us a general, cause our audience are mostly entrepreneurs or small business owners. They got the hustle on the side. How did they set themselves up for success when they’re small and building?

Nev Harris
So that is, so to get from small and building to a more bigger, sustainable company that you dream of and that you can make more impact for your clients, more impact for your employees, more impact for your family. You need to have your hands around your money from the beginning. Because if, if we all had more money, we could all create more impact. And if we all, and there’s two ways to get more money, you can make my money or you can manage the money you have better, so it works harder for you. So, and that’s why it’s so important from the beginning. And I think you, what you need to do is one having accountants. Great. I’m like most people say, Oh, you’re anti account. No, I’m for accountants. I love accountants. I think accounts are brilliant people. But I realize that maybe in the beginning you can’t afford an accountant, so get yourself some bookkeeping software, you know it’s confusing at first and it’s not the best.

Nev Harris
There were, the reports aren’t the best. Cause here’s the problem. The reports are geared for all financial reports and all financial language hasn’t evolved in a hundred, 150 years. So these reports for small business accounting software or the same kind of reports that are business that a fortune 500 company uses. And that’s the problem right there. So the reports are hard to understand. But I could give you some examples of ways that you probably already understand what the reports are saying, but they’re in what I call “accountantese”. So it makes it so difficult to understand. So that’s why I, that’s what I think the first step could be. You know, if you have, if you have a good business accountant, now I’m not talking, I’m a tax preparer or somebody that works primarily with personal account. You need a good business accountant that could, so that’s what I mean by account.

Nev Harris
Yeah. And then, and then when we try to teach people is how do you, how can you, because that account is gonna speak “accountantese” Cause that’s just what they do. You know. there’s, there’s a joke that I heard, it’s an accountant friend had told me, he’s like, how do you tell an introverted account from an extroverted accountant? I don’t know, the, I’m extroverted account and looks at your shoes and said of his shoes when he’s talking to you. So it’s kind of a bad joke, but you get the point that, you know, they just be, you know, there’s not of a difference

between those guys cause they’re all just so, my mission is for you to have a clear conversation with your account once you started talking to her accountant. So if that wasn’t very, you know, managing your money.

Jennifer
So do you have a particular software that you’re like, this is what we typically recommend to our clients or customers to utilize when they’re getting started?

Nev Harris
I would look into zero print books. They are Australian seem to prefer zero. US seems to prefer QuickBooks. Either I think are a necessary evil. I just think it’s understanding and being able to benefit from what those accountant’s software is kicking out to you. Like, here’s the thing, people come to me and say, here’s my profit and loss or income statement. That, that they have. This is, this is what a print out, this is what it is. But if it does and what it says right there is did you make money? Yes or no, which is I think is good to know. You want to know if you made money, but what you really want to know is why did I make money? Am I making less money? Is something is something and if I am making more money, why?

Nev Harris
If I’m making less money, why? So it’s having these reports and even if you have to export these reports into like which is pretty simple, just export into like an Excel document and then you have like you have six months of data, then you could say, okay, my marketing expense all of a sudden jumped way up here and that either caused my profits to be much higher. So now I know what profits are not much higher and I’m like, great, my profits are higher. I expect them to be higher or like next month, you know, okay, wow, I spent more on marketing and my profits went up. Maybe I should look further into that. Honestly, I more how much cleaning and my profits went down that marketing’s not working. So now you’re getting insight and you have a trend or these numbers going up, are they going down?

Nev Harris
Are they flat? You know, so wage expenses. Okay, I hired additional people because everybody’s like, when do I hire? Well, I hired additional people, I’m less profitable. Okay. And so maybe those, maybe those additional people hiring, maybe not. Maybe I need to look into what they’re doing. Then the jobs are working on if they’re, you know, if I’ve costed these jobs where I’d be in the extra labor spends I have or I hired these digital people, my profits jumped 30% maybe there’s room for another person or maybe, you know, maybe I need to switch, you know, or making more money in a certain product and another product. So I think it’s the trends that you need to look at. So you need to get six months worth of numbers and analyze, not just what’s happened that much in that snapshot. Cause the profit and loss is a snapshot of that day, that month. You know, and we all can look at it as a snapshot here. I mean, this isn’t how we look when we get out of bed. Right. When we go on camera.

Jennifer
I don’t know, Hey, I don’t know what you’re talking about Nev. I wake up like this Ha! No you’re right. You’re absolutely right.

Nev Harris
And that’s what I’m saying. So look at it over time, you know, look at us snapshot. Have you ever, you know, you can see, you know, how you changed if you look like 12 months, pictures of you over 12 months, you know. But if you just, it’s always says, where do you look at 12 months where the data, you could see the direction the numbers are taking in the effect that those, that that change has on your bottom line. That I think is a big takeaway that if you’re doing that, you’re gonna have a much more feel of where you are. You won’t be surprised, Oh, I made money this month. Hell yeah. You know, maybe it was one time kind of thing and you should plan on it for next month. Or maybe you should say, okay, I did this, I need more of this. And then you do more of it till it stops making you money, then you’re like, okay, I’m done with it. I don’t want to exponentially scale my Facebook. And it’s cause as we all know, Facebook guys don’t exponentially scale. So so then you, and then you really have a feel for how all this and how all the pieces play together too. So

Jennifer

Yeah, that’s definitely a different take because like you, when I’m working with certain accountants, they’re only looking at my profit and loss. They’re looking at my budget and to seeing month over month and that doesn’t tell us. That doesn’t tell me a lot. Yeah, I did. I am I out of the, if I’m in the red, or in the black, that’s pretty much is what they’re looking at. So when you start breaking it down like that, I can definitely see the impact of being able to make decisions also on how to move forward or how to grow based upon the trends of where I’m spending or what I’ve cut back.

Nev Harris
Yeah, exactly. It’s a, you’ve nailed it probably a lot more succinctly, than I nailed it, you’ve done well!

Jennifer
HA! I graduated? Can I have the course badge?

Jennifer
And that brings me to the next, like you are rocking out of course for this, that’s coming soon. Tell me, so not only you’re doing the coaching with individuals and helping them understand their numbers better, but how does the course play in it and what is the course?

Nev Harris
Okay, so we have a course that’s based on helping our target market, which is agencies, freelancers, you know, the creative professional understand their money. All right? And we do this by one. We have one module that does it. That was like a sample of the whole module we have where we actually take take these complex terms and we break them down into like simple terms, like everyday terms at the, that should have evolved like 50, 60, 70 years ago when entrepreneurial culture evolved. It should be like the way we talk about money should evolve, but it didn’t regretfully. So and that whole section pretty much breaks down into stuff like, so, you know, sales minus expenses equals profit. Common sense, right? You know, “accountantnese”, what you’d see on a financial statement is gross revenues minus costs of goods sold minus operating expenses plus income from continue operations minus non recurring events equals net profit.

Nev Harris
That long ass string string of words that makes zero sense. You know, all it says is sales minus expenses equals profits. Why not just say that? No, because it’s crazy. Cause most of our businesses, we don’t have a huge cost of goods sold. You know, we don’t need that. We don’t even need that as a need to confuse ourselves with the word costs of goods sold. And then operating expenses. Why don’t we just say expenses? You know, cause we don’t have all these varied expenses and gross revenue. It’s sales. Net profit is just profit for crying out loud cause we’re not doing all sorts of crazy calculations on, on 10 levels of profit. It’s not important for the type of businesses we have now. If you are manufacturing company or something along those lines, you know. Yeah. Maybe you need all of those kinds of complex languages and everything like that because you have a $50 million.

Jennifer
Yeah, it’s a lot more involved.

Nev Harris
Your plant property, equipment, you have inventory, you have you have all sorts of Mortgages and leases and, and, and loans and all that kind of crap that, you know, we don’t have. So why, why are we trying to take our a square peg in jamming into their round hole, you know, and, but that’s what every account will do. And that’s what, and you know, that’s what we do. Then we come up with all sorts of confusing hacks to help us get around it, which are great. I love the hacks, but they don’t, but you know, you’re not learning anything from it. It’s helping you bridge a gap, but you’re not learning how to, I always say in a website world, it’s like a plugin. You could use a plug in all day. We use plugins all day in our business, because we’re not big on coding, but if you’ll, but you’ll learn a little bit of CSS.

Nev Harris
You learn a little bit of code, you don’t need nearly as many plugins because you understand fundamentally and then you could go off and create 20 different things instead of buying 20 different plugins. So I want to teach a little bit of knowledge so that you can apply it in all a lot of different ways. That’s good. So and then we teach a decision making framework cause you touched on that like that you know it helps you that you could see this helps you make better decisions or we’ve all sorts of templates and forms to fill out that you can make decisions. Should I hire this person, should I buy this product should I, should I start this new product line and helps you evaluate all your different decisions. So you’re making better decisions with your money. All this coming together, you know, to allow you to be more effective with your money.

Nev Harris
So it’s an easy, and that’s what I challenge people. Like with just that example I gave you, what sales minus expenses, equal profit. I can’t understand my money. It’s not meant for me. I’m not that kind of person. Where you understand more than you do. You just never had it explained clearly to you.

Jennifer
That was my next question is how do you break down that fear of understanding your understanding of financials? When someone says, I’m not a financial person or I don’t understand my numbers, my numbers scare me. How, how do you respond to that? How do you break down that wall?

Nev Harris
Well that is the, the $64,000 question. Seriously. I know it’s hard. I mean, because we have this ingrained belief, so we are, so here’s, here’s what we did. We went in the Facebook communities and we belong to a million Facebook communities that we would get a ton of help from and we really appreciate it.

Nev Harris
So we went in there with the mentality, we’re going to go in there and just help people as much as we can with their numbers. And that was on vitality for the last six months. Just to be really helpful because that’s one of our core values is just an overall company and people we couldn’t find people talking about money and these Facebook groups. It was just, they didn’t, they, they weren’t, they just won’t bring this up. So we created a Facebook group that, you know, that is hoping that a hope will support and where we give all sorts of free training away that we hope will help start a movement and help create a conversation around this. Because I know, I know at the core of me that you can understand your money, but that mindset about it is one of the is one of the, one of the biggest problems is one of, if we created obstacles to people becoming a client of ours, it’s not that they don’t realize they have the problem that we solve.

Nev Harris
It’s, they don’t believe that the problem could be solved for them. And with all the marketing, the broader and everything in the world, we could do, we can’t, you know, solve that. We can’t go in there and rewire people’s brains. So, and then, so I’m going on podcasts like this. I’m just trying to get out there and evangelize the message. Hey, look like buyer course. Talk to your accountant, talk to your brother-in-law, read a book, get a hack, do whatever you can, but you can understand your money and do it somehow because it will make an impact. And that’s the message I want to go out there. And if you do too, our course, our whole first section that we like is on mindset. We have a whole module I just mindset that we say if you do this course, you could do this course and find out some stuff and learn and all that stuff.

Nev Harris
But if you don’t do this mindset module first, it’s going to be far less effective. And so that’s how we tried to combat that in the course. But like in, if you don’t get into the course, we do a lot of that free mindset training in the group. But if you don’t, but if you don’t engage in those ways, we can’t. So yeah. So I didn’t have the answer to that question, but that’s the kind of stuff I’m trying. If anybody out there in the podcast really knows or has ideas, please call me.

Jennifer
Well let’s talk about that. Cause I’ll be adding your course link, your website, and then the Facebook group to our show notes because I do think it’s important. I’m in your Facebook group and I love it. I love seeing you and Mary Beth pop up all the time. But the information that you’re giving away is it’s actionable. Like I can take it and I can make sense of it and I can use it. And I think that’s very important because most of them accountants or financial people that you talk to, they tend to be up above your head or they talk straight to the numbers in the reports, but not how I can apply it. So your Facebook group think tank for agency owners and freelancers. And is it an open group?

Nev Harris
Well, it’s a closed group because in one of the reasons it is a closed group is we’re very I don’t want to say we’re very selective, but we’re very protective of our membership and we want to be able to give people the boot. If you’re not supportive, if you’re not friendly, if you’re not a nice person, you’re not in our group. So if you’re a jerk and you want to put people down, stay away. Cause we, we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re passionate about grading us. We’re passionate about creating as fun. It’s not all about finances, a fun place where you would go to, cause I’ve we pay a lot of money to be in a mastermind that we have a very supportive community around. It is how we became such good friends. And so I wanted to create maybe that kind of environment for, for people who have these kind of business. Cause let’s face it, you know, having a business, it’s lonely, you know, and if you don’t have people around to give you that Pat on the back to pick you up when you’re down to pick you up, when you know, to help you celebrate when something really good happens and you look around and there’s nobody there for you, you know, hell, who am I talking to?

Nev Harris
Like you guys, I just, you know, I had a $15,000 sale or yeah, really completed this project and I’m so proud of it, you know, go in there, share that man to the people in the community. You will be like, I mean, we’ll feed off that, you know, how go I be having a crappy day and you’ll be like picking them up. So yeah, no, to come with a problem. Like, man, I’m really struggling with this. I don’t feel like I, you know, I have this customer, they’re giving me problems, I’ve done everything I can w how do I do? And then we know where we never have those kinds of problems. Right. All our customers are great. But you know and so it’s a place for support there. And then we do the finance training and it’s kind of, so it’s, it’s a safe place to talk about numbers, but it’s also a fun place to celebrate and get help and you know, get inspired. So, and it’s a few, it’s Nev. Harris.Com/Facebook group is an easy way to find it because that, that name for that Facebook community, I can’t even spell that. You don’t have to, I have a linked. Okay. So I have to

Jennifer
Cause I’m so proud of you for launching your brand and since the time that we’ve talked and figuring out your niche and where to go, you just blow me away of how far you’ve come and how much you’ve evolved. Okay. I want to talk about that because for me, and there’s others that I know that are listing that are venturing out to launch their own personal brand. Shoot, let’s like, let’s really dive into that. So what made you decide that this needed to be from you?

Nev Harris
Well, I don’t have a very odd you’d be like, Oh, I’m just so smart that I can help with his now won’t, why not? It was just, it was up one morning and creating no, no. I know, you know what I was doing and because personal branding is so much different than like branding vertical. And I have a friend net a was helping me out when I was struggling with a couple of things and that is growing it, personal branding. And she, she, she really helped out with a personal brand, help creating her flourish online. She was she was phenomenal and it really, really brought me to life with around the idea that money is a boring topic. Money is a scary topic. And you know, I approach it with such fun and such kind of, you can say goofiness, you know and but you know, it’s really actionable because I really believe what you said there, you know I love the learn and I’d his girlfriend challenge with money.

Nev Harris
She says, you’re always learning, but what are you? And so I was like, okay, well if I’m going to spend three hours doing the course, five hours reading abroad, you know, there has to be a takeaway that we’re going to put in, you know, and I’ve just wasted time, or I’m just the smartest hermit crab. So, and nobody wants to be that. So yeah. So it’s just, it’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s putting action behind it. So, and, and then having, so the personal brand, it’s, it’s a really cool kind of thing when it’s pulled off. Right. Because it, it makes you, it opens the door to you that people get to know you. Oh, a little bit more. So it’s just, yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s a cool way to go about it. So I’m not the personal writing genius, but trust me, I’m on boxer all the time. Melissa helped me. Tell me,

Jennifer
Could you have come this far or would it been this w I don’t want to say we’ll package, but because it is so well packaged, but if you would have done it yourself then to have someone who is an expert in personal branding because sometimes I believe we get so focused on, well we’re gonna do it ourselves. We’re really shouldn’t do it yourself. And that’s something even before we hit record, you challenged me with my own personal brand that, you know, you point blank asked, are you going to do it yourself? And I’m like, yeah, I’m gonna do it myself. But after talking to you, I don’t think that’s the right decision. So do you think that it significantly like you staying in your lane and hiring someone to come in and be the professional, how that talked about how that made an impact on your launch?

Nev Harris
Everything was, so we, so about switching subjects. We have an agency. I’ve been an agency owner or for we’ve had a marketing company for seven years. Okay. I have a absolutely phenomenal graphic designer. I think you know, got some skills when it comes to branding. And so it’s not, was it wasn’t lack of knowledge or resources in marketing and ah, but it was lack of really understanding how to pull out the essence of a person in their personal brand. And trust me, I haven’t had a good friend and Alyssa and I happen to be, you know, a person that likes a spirited conversation. So and so I’m going back and forth with her challenging her on some of these ideas. Like, no, that’s not all traditional branding works. And she’s like, and she’s gone of my friend, listen, she’s kind of like, you know she’s not the loudest person.

Nev Harris
She’s not the most forceful person, but she’s like, I will completely disagree with that and you are wrong. And then she was right. I was wrong. I was completely wrong. And so it’s like, I, the answer your question. Yes. I think you should have somebody even, I mean, like I said, I have a team of designers and on a, I a lot of stuff on a lot of when it comes to marketing and everything like that, but yeah, everything. So what she gave us was like a brand board with all the elements we needed. And so I give it to my designers and they come up with this phenomenal stuff. But if it’s like, it’s like you are a great co like, you know, you’re given all the recipes, you know from, and even from a really master chef, you know, that really crafted this stuff.

Nev Harris
So you’re making all of this fantastic food, but you know, you were taught exactly how to make, you know. So yeah, it’s like having all the, all the things in place. It’s like when you buy the Lego set and they give you all the Lego’s, a little diagram how to make it, and you make this phenomenal Lego thing. You didn’t make it from like the $124, 124 piece random set. You made it from the 16 feet set that has specific instructions. Hey, you’re talking to the queen of Google when my son’s like make a dinosaur into Legos and Thompson, you’re Googling like how to make it from Lego set out to lego.com  for having those, those illustrations on how to fit together. But yes, I completely agree. So when you launched your personal brand, did you have any reservations because you’re putting you out there, not the business you. So this is gonna sound maybe me. I don’t, I don’t mean to come off as arrogant when I sound this, but absolutely not because now here’s the reason because Okay.

Nev Harris
Everything was so, and so, Alyssa actually did my website for the stores where we designed really amazing websites. Alyssa did my website and then gave me a template for the Salesforce. But anyways, so I looked at it and I said,Okay,

Nev Harris
Holy hell, this is, this is me. This is beautiful. This is perfect. This, this is, this is, this is great. You know? And yeah, so I didn’t, so when it went, when we went out there, I was, I trusted her because she knew so much and I absolutely love the way she did. Here’s the funny things. And we’re going to change something stuff around because we have all sorts of new photos, but she took photos. I had a photo shoot done and this is an, I’ll tell you something about photographers. I had a photo shoot done, a professional photo shoot by a professional photographer and, and I gave her the, in those couple years ago and I gave her other pictures and she, she’s like, we’re, we’re not using any of these. These all suck. Yeah. These all look like, you know, your about shots or something, you know, not even here from shots, but you know, what is it like to professional, to, to, to clean to, and there was no personality, you know.

Nev Harris
So she was my friend and so Santa Monica, we were all in San and wanted to it together. And a lot of those pictures come from just as a joking around in Santa Monica. So there’s a picture of me doing your hands in the Chinese district because, you know, I always like move around and like do my crazy poses in front of stuff cause I’m weird. Yeah. So it’s just, it’s all about if, if, if it’s, if it encompasses all the, well I guess, I guess I didn’t because let me re re answer that and if I’m rambling you just let me know. But cause when I, I never had to think about this question, but I had talked about it so much in maybe like a debated, the point was so much about her with her about this stuff that she had me so convinced that you have to put yourself out there as you.

Nev Harris
And I think that can be a struggle for a lot of people. And I think it would have been a struggle for me if I hadn’t really talked to her about it. And gone through all the exercises and then seeing what it came out within and thought, wow, this really doesn’t compass me. And you know, and if I didn’t have such a passionate, if I wasn’t so passionate about my why wasn’t so passionate about how I really want to get out there and just change the conversation people are having, cause I don’t know the answer to that question you asked me before. How do you ever calm people’s fear of it and thinking it’s not for them? I don’t know. But that’s what I’m sure is, I’m trying to figure out that’s what I’m starting to start our conversation about. So at least I can be that little spark that maybe starts people, you know, on a much broader conversation about the topic. Even if it never comes back to them. Take it more force. My course is just like, I’m not some guy out there saying, Hey, you know, you can do this, but I’m not going to tell you how, you know, how is that helping anybody? So I’m trying to start a conversation and then if you want to fulfill sort of down the road course, great. If not, go find somewhere else because it’s something you need. And so anyways,

Jennifer
That’s good because as we were talking, I’m walking down that same path and, and I’ve been holding back for quite some time and I’m like, I’m just ready. I know I’m, I’m ready. I’m already outside my comfort zone. I’m ready to leap even further. But I want to be able to show up online with, for lack of better term, my best face forward. Right? Like I want to be able to stand behind my brand and it to be me. So I love that the conversations that we’re having because that speaks to me and hopefully others that are listening, how important it is to know your why and what you’re passionate about and then not be afraid to ask for help or seek outside of your own self to bring it, to bring it to fruition. Right. Cause sometimes I think that we limit ourselves. So, and I know that I do that on my own projects that are personally for me. And it’s not until I bring it to my mastermind friends or whatnot to get a different perspective that it’s like, Oh okay, well this is, I am on target or maybe I shouldn’t go that route. So I think that that’s super encouraging

Jennifer
For me. Before we wrap up, I have one more point that I want to bring to the table and ask you a quick question before that. No, I hire you to like paraphrase my long winded statement shit. And for you to just sum it up really succinctly because that was, yeah, exactly. Be, but no, but yes,

Nev Harris
I think I just want to say one thing about what you said there. It’s not about putting, cause I want to contrast to one thing you said to me before we started the podcast that you just said there. It’s not about putting your best foot forward, it’s about putting your most authentic foot forward. And is like what you said that this podcast is, I just dropped my pen because, yeah. Right. So cause that might be really expensive. I want to drop that there. That’s why it’s on a Stanton. So I don’t touch it. You’re not Kanye. You can’t afford a hundred. We don’t drop the much.

Nev Harris
I think it’s about, I think it’s about, you know, putting yourself out there and I think is about having a stronger, I think your why needs to be stronger than your fear of putting yourself out there. That’s good. All right. Moving on. That’s good. That’s good.

Jennifer
Okay. So the, the one thing that I wanted to end on, because you are successful, you have done so much, your businesses have evolved and then you saw a need that you’re so passionate about and you launched this business. But what people may not realize that there’s this gentleman who’s appears to have it all together, but internally on the struggle bus. And I want to talk about that because as business owners, agency owners, we tend to lock that site up or not talk about it or feel like we’re on, we’re all by herself in what we feel.
Jennifer
And you had shared in one of our Facebook groups that we’re in together, you brought attention or you brought a post up about anxiety, depression, and owning an agency slash freelancing company. And I’d like to just talk about that and how like, I don’t even know what question to ask to how to open up that topic because it was such an impactful post of your story. So can you tell me just a little bit about your journey with that?
Nev Harris
 Sure. Nervous My hearts we’re starting to that was so I watched the Bernay Brown special and it made a on Netflix and I highly suggest anybody to watch them. And if you just want, you know, something that’s gonna really.
Nev Harris
 So I watched that and I figured that would be so eloquently speaking about this cause it makes me look numbers. So I’m, I watched that and it made me think that, you know it’s all about courage and how courage is being vulnerable and everything like that. And I, the guy that runs our mastermind brought up a talk about you know, and one of our sessions about having a psychiatrist come in and just talk about that kind of thing and kinda hit home for me. I’ve been S and this is hard to say but I think it’s important to get out there. So this is why I want to say this. So, you know, you talk about your why being stronger than your fear. I, I saw, I saw struggled like with really bad depression and anxiety for ’em and that, and I was never like that.
Nev Harris
 My whole life I was a positive, really mentally tough person. And so it was really hard for me to admit to myself that I actually had depression, like really bad depression and like debilitating anxiety. And because of I just, without getting into, you know, more than you as a bunch of what was me details because because just I had a really, really rough seven years with stuff, even though it’s not personal and kind of business stuff. And even though it ended, like you said on the outside, it looked like I was still the same happy, smiling, successful kind of person. It was like, ah, it’s really tough. And I don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s, I, I denied it. I went to all sorts of doctors. I self diagnosed myself with go with every other thing I can imagine is that the anxiety?
Nev Harris
 I remember I was at one endocrinologist testing my blood sugar. She, as I said, you had low blood sugar because you know the mind’s a powerful thing and cause when I ate, I felt better. So I said it was blood sugar and I always just, my mindset of trying to grasp on to anything that would be a solution in our, I remember when he told me, he did all sorts of testing and said, Hey, look, your blood sugar’s fine. It’s always been fine. It’s great. It’s, you know, you don’t have a blood sugar problem. And he said something. And I say to myself, I mumbled underneath my breath, well, it just can’t be anxiety. And I should’ve, that should’ve been a moment that said hello. But you know, I really, really meant that, you know, I can’t just be anxiety. What other things can I Google to figure out what it is?
Nev Harris
 You know? And then I have add and I’ve always had add. And I managed to be successful even as a result and by no, and it still really is a struggle in every day of my life. We buy you. But I’ve managed to work or make it manageable. But you know, I blame all my problems because at my age and the thing would, would that is so anxiety keeps you from doing stuff and then when you don’t do stuff, especially if you’re a person used to doing stuff, you get depressed cause you’re not doing stuff. And then he had add in there and it’s just like anxiety and ADD and depression. They just, they do not play nice. They they feed off each other and they make each other one worse than, it’s hard to tell where one ends and one begins and everything like that. So I think it’s, and I think, you know, and the reason I’m so like into this day, and I’m talking about to try and be less embarrassed about it because I feel the more people that I, maybe I made this Facebook post and immediately I graduated and I said to my friend, I said, man, I just screwed up. I said, I posted this thing. I said, it’s a disaster. I said, you know, I watched it.
Nev Harris
 Dan Bernay Brown special as she got in my head and she says, calm down, it’s okay.
Nev Harris
 And then, you know, the next day there was a lot of response to that. A lot of positive response. A lot of people saying that, you know, I helped them and everything like that. Just admitting it and talking about it. So that was, so that was the post and it was, I, I, here’s what I feel. Here’s the why, here’s what I’m not talking about it because I want to tell you about myself. I’m talking about it because I want to break down the barriers to having conversations about mental health. I think there’s a stigma around it that’s messed up. I think, you know, a lot of people, I saw some statistic, you know, and I don’t know a statistic, but it’s like, you know, if you know how long it takes a person that the, the when they’re sick with something, when they’re having a health problem, how long it takes to get to a doctor and it’s like some small amount of time, you know, maybe like a couple months or something like that or you know, but it’s years and years before somebody is actually really going to go to a doctor and they think they’re anxious or depressed.
Nev Harris
 And I think like the toll on our society and the toll on our families and the toll on the impact we can make as business owners and stuff like that is immense because it just robs us of everything we’re trying to do because we have a society that’s so embarrassed talking about this. And why am I like, why is this so hard for me to talk about kids? I mean, I’m talking about it’s just because
Nev Harris
 You can’t move rambling. I ramble and I’m rambling. And when I talk more, I get more nervous and I said, I’m just going to talk more about, it’s crazy. But I really felt that we shouldn’t be. So like, you know, we shouldn’t be embarrassed to try medicine. We
Nev Harris
 Shouldn’t be. I know I’m not a big medicine person. I hate medicine. I refuse to go on prescriptions and I want on a prescription for because, you know, and it helped, it helped me get, and that was super hard to say, you know. Cause I think we’re in a culture that thinks there’s a pill to solve everything. And I absolutely believe that is the wrong way to do things. But in this case, in some cases, like if you have high blood pressure and you’ve done everything humanly possible like cholesterol, my dad was on never would when I didn’t like cholesterol medicine, you know, cause it made him sore and his doctor pretty much told him, some people just genetically have high cholesterol and their diets only can be 10% was perfect and you could only move his cholesterol by 10%.
Nev Harris
 He had to be on cholesterol medicine that helped prolong his life, that’s needed. I could not get my head above water to catch a breath to see where everything was at. And then the medicine helped me catch my breath, look at things, redo things and take it for six months and see VAR rag. But here’s what I, here’s what I said in that post and here’s what I’m going to say here. Again, I’m not going to be embarrassed and I’m not gonna think it’s wrong if I have to stay on that medicine for more than six months. So cause it’s helping me do what I want to do. It’s helping me be a better leader, a better than my friends and family, better to my employees, serve my clients better. So my depression went away. And it’s funny about these kinds of things.
Nev Harris
 My depression went away after hanging out with you guys on the math. I just being around people that love and care for you and being in a community like that. And that’s the reason I wanted to start my Facebook community cause we put a lot of money to be, to have that kind of support. And I want people to have that kind of support in my community. So I’m in my Facebook group. So and, and then it wasn’t even, it wasn’t even a whole big talking about depression or anything like that. It was just a whole bunch of support and love and kindness and helping each other with stuff that my depression went away. But I still had the debilitating anxiety and I needed to, I needed some medicine that helped me, you know, get my head above water and it’s just, yeah. So yeah, and I think sometimes people do and I think it’s like there. Yeah, I think the, I think our just culture is just, is really backwards on this kind of stuff.
Jennifer
Yeah. And I don’t think enough people realize that you’re not alone.
Nev Harris
 Yeah.
Jennifer
I’ve been down that road before in previous situations and had to in my own history with that, I had been on medication to help with the anxiety and of what I was dealing with at that time. And you, you really like, I know for me I felt like, Oh like you either there’s a stigma to it and it was a stigma that I was even putting plying on myself with that and going to seek account counselor and being able to talk through and work through those problems. And I love the fact that more and more the people around me who I don’t access specked it are the ones that are like, Nope, I’ll raise my hand up. I’m going to share my story because that takes courage too. And that takes selflessness because you have to to be able to put yourself out there.
Jennifer
And I, I can’t tell you right now, there’s 56 likes and loves for that post and 28 comments going strong by you. Just taking the time to post and share your heart and your battle with this. So I just want to commend you and I know it’s so fresh for you to come on my podcast and open up about this because I, I immediately jumped on it cause I feel like hopefully in a small way, the more that you talk about it, the, the more impact that you’ll have. So thank you so much for sharing that. Is there one thing that you would tell somebody who may be that business owner who’s struggling with anxiety and they’re feeling like they’re locked in a box? Is there something that you would tell them if they’re sitting across from you?
Nev Harris
 A couple of things, couple short things here. I would say find people that you could talk to. Not everybody in your life. You could talk to. A therapist, you know, I had a, a bunch of people I went to a therapist for a little bit. But you know, it was more like when I looked up with therapy was if you want what, so I think therapists are good, but I had enough friends and support network that I I was very lucky that I could talk to and about that kind of stuff. Don’t be afraid to bring it up to your doctor, you know? And here’s the bad kind of medicine. I, I think like the Xanax is, and the values and that kind of stuff. I think they’re good for like, as your fun I’m playing if you kind of thing.
Nev Harris: So there was just an article out there that I just read like yesterday or something like that, that, you know, they can be addictive and everything like that, but I’m talking like the SSRI, they’re like Pristiq Zoloft and that was kind of medicines Selexis and I think there’s the kind of medicines, don’t be embarrassed to, you know, if you have to go the medicine route and don’t think it’s a lifelong, you know, thing. So, and I’m super sensitive that medicine and that’s why I kind of fought when, when, so I went to an add specialist to help with my add. I paid a lot of money. He was in Virginia, it wasn’t covered by my insurance, you know. And he pretty much said, I think we need the courage or your anxiety before we can work under AUD because he did this all just blood tests and all this and all this interview.
Nev Harris
 And he says, look, it’s your main problem right now is not your add. You have add and it’s, you definitely have add. But it’s the inside. He is what is the problem? So there’s all sorts of different drugs and just because one doesn’t work for you, just, just cause it’s the first five you try doesn’t work. Doesn’t mean the last ago because that’s what I had to do. And I found one that did and just know that you are not alone because I want to be on this podcast talking about it. I’d be hiding somewhere because of that post I made on Facebook. If it wasn’t, and I told him I didn’t even put that out there and I checked it like, why are you waiting an hour? And there was like two or three lines in puzzle. Okay. Nobody’s like laughing at me, making fun of me or saying I’m a system.
Nev Harris
 And then I was like, okay, I’ll look at it again. I’m just going to, I’ve, I’m gonna forget I did that. And then my sister said to me last night, that post is really blowing up. And then and I looked at him and I’m like, wow. And it was the impact this all these people saying thank you. You know? And so when you asked about it, and I’m like, kind of your God, am I finance? I want to help people with this stuff like embarrass myself in front of a national audience. So, but I don’t think it’s embarrassing myself, at least the more I talked about, I get it. Right. Thank you, Jen,
Jennifer
Because you are working the, I believe that there’s, there’s so many people that we don’t realize that are fighting that battle and that they don’t have to feel alone. So yeah. And anytime that those raw fresh emotions, I think it’s important to keep talking about it. So thank you so much for, for talking about that and not only for talking about the anxiety and depression, the mental health issues, but also thank you so much for the nuggets on our finances because I think that what he had mentioned about breaking down your finances and getting a grip on the, the
Jennifer
Hmm,
Jennifer
The impact that your trends over time have for your businesses and how to make decision decisions based upon that is so valuable. So not just looking at your P and L, but looking at why. So they do so much. And I will definitely be posting the show notes. So anyone who’s listening, make sure to check that out. And if you can’t get to those and go to Nev Harris at nevharris.com to learn more about the upcoming course that’s launching when,
Nev Harris
Well our limited time our, our, we’re, we’re doing our beta round, it’s 10 people. It’s gonna sell out pretty quickly that e’re just doing a live webinar, but the real course launches January 9th. So that’s when your online course will launch and everything like that. The beta is if you sign up for the wait list, you’ll get first access to the vein. It’s going to be a lot webinar or live Q and a where we’re running through the stuff, you know, live question answer and we’re giving you a whole bunch of big bonuses on it pretty much because we want to know like, here’s what we’re teaching you, but we want to know what else you want to know. So so we, we want to know your questions too. So we want to be able to answer all of those in a much more interactive format for the first go around. And we’re limiting that to only 10 people and just because we want to create that close in an environment where people can talk. And so that kicks off November 14th and then and pretty much the already get on that is getting in the waitlist or just the, you buy the course in January. If you’re in the beta, you get access to the course for life. But you know yeah, so that’s that. So that was probably very confusing.
Nev Harris
 The answer to your simple question, I could simplify fine as You don’t have to talk to finance subway answers hungry. Here’s a kid three. No,
Jennifer
 I have to admit this has been the most fun having you on this page. Please come back once the course launches
Jennifer
Expect to come back because I want to do a recap of your course but also bring it back for some more financial advice. So thank you so much. And anyone who’s listening, if you’ve found this helpful or let’s just be honest, like if you just want to reach out because you are dealing with the same issues as Nev and I have talked about today, please do not be afraid to message, direct message me via Raney Day Design or find us hashtag us by rainy day talks podcast because we would love to hear it and we would love to continue down this road of talking about mental health here on the podcast. So once again, thank you so much for spending your time with me today and it has been an absolute pleasure having you with me.
Nev
Thanks. Yeah, it was great talking to you Jen and so see ya everybody. Thank you.

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